Column: Christ-Like? That’s a Long-Shot

Bob Walters

Bob Walters (, e-mail worries not when Christ was actually born, but rejoices that in fact He actually was.

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  • Mike Carmel
  • Evan

    Hey Mike. I know who you are, and you know who I am. I cannot speak for Bob, although we both claim to be guided by the same Holy Spirit, so I can assume He would tell us both the same thing. That sounds like a crazy thing to say right off the bat doesn’t it, but that’s the deal, what we believe sounds crazy, and actually I am under the impression that God really likes how crazy it all sounds. To answer one of your questions in your blog, yes, God really is so insecure as to put Job through all of that. See, a lot of the stories in the bible are there to show us what God is like. You might think I am trying to humanize Him with characteristics like this, but that’s what is funny, we are created in His image. This is the way He is, and we can recognize some of his characteristics in ourselves, but they are His to begin with.

    Although, and to get to your main point, something “went wrong” here on Earth and with humans. Thus the story of Eve’s first sin which brought us all down. Now, let me preface all this, I do not claim to know exactly how things went down, or if these early creation stories are literal, or analogy, or allegory, or whatever. I also understand much of the bible was written from oral accounts past on and on, and it was obviously edited by many factions of people who had certain agendas, etc, etc, etc. What I do know is that this is what we were left with to read, and if I have faith that the Spirit of Jesus will lead me to what I need to understand in that book, and if I dedicate myself to listening to this Spirit and spending time reading this scripture, then the understanding I need will be bestowed upon me.

    Let me tell you a brief personal account. I was an atheist (a very vocal one) for years and years and years. I came to a point however where it was clear to me that I was being provided for in my life by someone other than myself (or family and friends). It was at this point I thought, there must be a God. Then, I thought, are all these people talking about Christ, who I have been writing off as insane or stupid or both, actually onto something? At that point, I thought to myself, ok “Jesus”, I will give it a shot, if you are real, then provide me with some understanding. I took a dive into scripture with this mind set, and in time, all of the doubts and denials I used to be so sure about, slowly fell from me, and I began to understand scripture. Not that I agree with everything any Christian says, but slowly what made sense out weighed what I thought sounded so ridiculous, and since then my faith for and understanding of Christ has been growing more every day.

    Point is, I really know where you are coming from. I used to think the same thing when I heard Christians speak. In fact, this was one of the last things I was able to relinquish. My folks are not Christian, and they are the most loving thoughtful people I know, so for me, when I heard people say things like no one can love with out Christ it made me irate. And let’s be honest, obviously there are countless wonderful loving people who are not Christian, and there are countless despicable Christians. But, I will say, since I have been Christian, how I think has dramatically changed for the better. I have clearer concepts of reality, science, love, service, community, etc. So, obviously, I am a better person than you now, and I am going to heaven and you aren’t. Just kidding, what an incredible assumption that would be to make, especially since honestly, I am still pretty despicable at times. But, if you are not going to heaven through Christ, you are not going. Whoa, that’s over the line right. Assuming there is a God, it seems to me that everyone on Earth is not up to par with him. Even if you are really really good, you are nothing compared to him. Something has gone wrong, I can’t exactly explain what it is, but we were made in his image, but now we are like him, but wrong. As the story goes though, He did something to make that right. One thing. Take it or leave it, one thing. So, it’s not that (most) Christians think they are better than atheists or what not, it is simply that we believe no one will ever be good enough to fix this problem that exists, including ourselves. It’s not that we think you are not good enough, it’s that we think NO ONE is good enough. As this article by Bob points out, it is not ourselves we are boasting about, all humans are in this same boat, it is God we are glorifying for stepping in and doing something about this sinking ship. Don’t be confused, Christians are not perfect, Christ is, He’s God! We, are not, we…are broken.

    • Mike Carmel

      Thanks for your comments, though I have to admit it did not clear anything up. You touched on something I find amusing about the bible. So many claim it is the actual word of God. Is it? So many claim these things really did happen. Noah built an Ark, much like the one at the creation museum in Kentucky. You don’t seem to think that way. Although you do agree with my main point. You will seek the things in the Bible you agree with and follow those guidelines. Will you ignore the rest or explain it away?

      • Evan

        “You will seek the things in the Bible you agree with and follow those guidelines. Will you ignore the rest or explain it away?”

        Absolutely not, the things in the bible that I get interested in at a certain time teach me lessons about things that are vastly different than how I would normally see things, and often times I don’t want to really hear what it is saying. I am led (by the Spirit) to certain parts of the bible (and do not discriminate which parts I am led to) because of my current circumstances in this time space continuum, and understanding- is then given to me about the text by Him. He thinks differently than myself, and He knows better what I need. I know it sounds odd, I know.

        “So many claim it is the actual word of God. Is it? So many claim these things really did happen. Noah built an Ark, much like the one at the creation museum in Kentucky. You don’t seem to think that way. ”

        The bible is relatively straight forward and is without great meaning without faith in Christ, which in turn- fills you with the Holy Spirit, which gives understanding, which is individually tailored to you. It IS the word of God. I have asked to receive it, the Spirit lets me know and understand what is necessary for me, the rest, I don’t attempt to understand at that time. I am aware this line of reasoning is as filled with holes as swiss cheese, but again, God likes that it is “holy”.

        “though I have to admit it did not clear anything up.”

        Nothing I could say would really clear anything up, but based on experience, I would try to let Jesus fill you in. If you want to meet though, it would be fun to talk more about this with you. Let me know, and I will contact you.

        • Mike Carmel

          Thanks for the offer, but I will pass. You are free to continue this conversation in my blog.

          • E

            OK, I see how it is, maybe I will