City of Carmel’s possible carousel purchase prompts competing petitions

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  • RKW50

    This reminds me of the council meetings to approve the re-zoning of the property where Market District is now. The developers brought about 60 folks in support of the project (virtually none of which lived in the area). An equal amount was there against the re-zoning. The developers used a public relations firm to recruit those in support. A petition of residents against the development of around 700 people, was ignored. The council was only interested on the recruited people speaking for the re-zoning. Now, we have a person professionally related to the Mayor, doing this petition FOR the carousel. Of course, the mayor seems to be ignoring the fact that many many more people are against the spending. Again…..Mayor Brainard, you want the Carousel? Ok, get Pedcor and some of the other businesses and individuals who have BENEFITTED from our taxes to buy and DONATE this to the city! Its time for some of these businesses to give back.

  • Eric Morris

    The Mayor’s projections on the respective support of the competing petitions seems to be a little off. The initial bump for the “pro” petition seems to have tailed-off to well below 100/day. Is this a sign of things to come regarding rosy financial projections used to justify the support of these projects and bonds?

  • Tim Hannon

    I plan on attending the city council meeting on Monday, August 7th at 6 PM at City Hall, and I hope others who oppose taxpayer funding of these projects will attend as well. To address RKW50’s concerns about the mayor’s supporters ‘stuffing the ballot box’, I am doing my level best to make it clear to city council members that our opposition petition is grass roots and quite diverse. Since neither we nor Mr. Mestetsky’s petition numbers will ever reach anything near a majority of Carmel taxpayers, it will be up to the individual city council members to decide which petition group is most representative of their constituents. And because nobody’s counting, the current tally is: Organic, Cage Free- 755; Processed, GMO- 187

    • Eric Morris

      Grass(roots) fed cattle–764. Pink slime–188.

      Shocked, shocked to see part of the 188 being high-ranking city employees, possible relatives of employees, and people renting space at some of the subsidized pre-existing conditions.

    • RKW50

      As if I have nothing else to do…I spot checked quite a few signatures on the “for” petition. I was not surprised to find that several had connections to the city, the Palladium, and other related entities. As far as going to the meeting goes, I have not found in over 25 years, that the counselors have much interest in what we have to say. As citizens and taxpayers, we did seem to have more influence in the early 80’s. Irregardless, there obviously should be a show of support “against,” Cause I guarantee you, the Friends of Brainard will be there in force pushing the “FOR” side.

      • ASennaFan

        I signed the “for” petition and have no connections to any city departments or employees. I simply have pride in my community and don’t mind helping to pay for it. It seems many people want to live in Carmel and enjoy all the benefits that comes with residence here but don’t wish to pay for any of it.

    • Larry Verrill

      Petitions hardly ever help the “People” side unless the occasion calls for one with a definite amount of signatures. This one will be ignored just like the others.

      • Tim Hannon

        Larry, I’ll admit that history is probably not on our side regarding the impact of petitions on an entrenched administration. That being said, we feel it’s our civic duty to put a spotlight on unnecessary government spending, and we’ll take note of which city council members vote for and against these frivolous projects.

        • Larry Verrill

          Just saying………Not trying to discourage anyone.

          • Tim Hannon

            I understand- thanks.

  • Larry Verrill

    This is the first time I have heard that Pedcor was involved, but I should have guessed. After reading the above article and then thinking about the project as a whole, I am enthused. Pedcor and the city could have a concrete base shaped like a boat built with water surrounding it and use the water part for the new outdoor ice skating rink and build the hotel on the boat base. The first floor could house the carousel, the lobby and the restaurant. The second floor could house the gambling casino which would be operated by the Indiana Indian Tribes. Above that all the other floors would be hotel rooms with a Presidential sweet on the top floor and be operated by The Marriott people. Such a deal…………

    • Vaporeon

      lol…!

  • Vaporeon

    Check out some fun facts from this NPR post about the dueling petitions, including the mayor saying the carousel could help attract the “best & brightest employees coming out of the best graduate schools across the globe” http://www.npr.org/2017/08/04/541352721/century-old-carousel-has-one-indiana-city-going-round-and-round

  • Hail_to_the_chef

    The current normal way for communities to add carousels is to have “adopt an animal” drives where a business or individual donates and has naming rights for a carousel figure, adopt an inscribed brick for the path leading to it, etc. Then the building is built with rentable party rooms for birthdays and wedding receptions to offset the cost of operation and maintenance. Buying it outright using tax money isn’t the usual way this type of thing is handled.

    • Vaporeon

      You’re correct, not the usual way…. “There are suburbs and then there is Carmel.” … a direct quote from Carmel Redevelopment Committee appointee Henry Mestetsky’s pro tax payer funded luxury hotel & carousel petition.

  • ASennaFan

    Hmm… seems quite a few people want to live in Carmel and enjoy all it has to offer but don’t want to help pay for any of it.